For those that care...(Miami related)

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I just read that a while ago, and its awesome for Miami and a huge surprise. They went out and spent a ton, thats great. I was totally wrong, I didnt think Miami would make that commitment.

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but this is worth mentioning:

Canesport.com reported that final details are being hammered out with Gruden and that he will be named coach barring a last-minute glitch.But several trustees said the process has not reached that point.

Read more: Jon Gruden shows interest as Miami Hurricanes try to work out deal - UM - MiamiHerald.com

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I am not sure if Gruden would take the job or not. But there are alot of reasons he would. The guy is a florida guy. His family I believe is still in Tampa and I think he has two kids that are in high school now. Maybe he can see coaching his son at Miami as a draw. I think he believes he could win big there. ACC isn't the toughest conference in the world and if you have the recruiting base Miami has it is hard to understand how you couldn't have alot of success.

The other side is I think Tampa is still paying him around 5 mil per year at least thru next year. I also read where he is making around 4 mil for monday night football. That is alot of money to leave on the table. Also Gruden's offense is one of the most complicated offense's out there. I am not sure how well it would work in the college game. He isn't a proven recruiter but hey it's Miami. I don't guess you have to be. I think Miami has alot of better options out there. Gruden is a good coach but he is hard core football. I am not sure he is a good fit for the type kids that Miami has had success with in the past. JMO....

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ESPN's Joe Schad is reporting that sources say there is "zero" chance Jon Gruden will accept the Miami head coaching position.

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ESPN's Joe Schad is reporting that sources say there is "zero" chance Jon Gruden will accept the Miami head coaching position.

Let's hope so (keeping fingers crossed). Miami needs a coach that will put the work in for a long haul,not coach a yr or so and head to the NFL.

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I'll break my silence in light of recent developments.

It was reported that last night there was an agreement in principle between Gruden and Miami of 4 years/approx 17 million...thusly the Canesport/Miami Herald/Palm Beach Post/790 The Ticket reports of an imminent deal. Miami met all of Gruden's other demands as far as recruiting budget and staff budget. The finer details were to be hammered out today, and many expected the deal to be finalized. So, the "Miami doesn't have the money" or "Gruden never had interest" excuses are categorically falsified given all of that.

What's being reported now as the sticking point, was that Jon Gruden wanted a clause in his contract that if/when he left Miami for an NFL job, that Jay Gruden would be his coach-in-waiting, and would automatically get the job. Miami was good with Jay being the OC on this staff--so no issue with that, but thankfully for Hocutt--he didn't let Gruden dictate to him who the next coach after Gruden would be. It's not up to Jon to get his little bro Jay the Miami HC gig by proxy. If we wanted Jay as the HC, we would have offered him and not Jon the job (at much less money, to boot).

So...negotiations are said to be still open, but it looks highly unlikely that Gruden won't be at UM...but let me be clear--it is NOT for the reasons that have been brought up by others in this thread. The money was there, the mutual interest was there, but UM wouldn't be dictated to as far as who Jon's successor would be once he moves on to the NFL (which was a foregone conclusion).

Next on the list is Dan Mullen, Miss. State HC and former UF/Utah/Bowling Green OC under Urban Meyer.

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wow, Miami believes its could get Urban Meyer to leave Florida to go to Miami?

hmm...........
what can Miami offer Meyer than UF cant?


I dont believe Dan Mullen leaves Miss. State for Miami either, but thats a whole lot more realistic than Meyer.

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wow, Miami believes its could get Urban Meyer to leave Florida to go to Miami?

hmm...........
what can Miami offer Meyer than UF cant?

Where in the blue hell did I say that? I mentioned Meyer in relation to Mullen's resume/background for those who didn't know who Mullen is. Re-read that and make sure you comprehend it this time. I re-read it 3-4 times just to make sure you can't misunderstand it if you read it right...I dunno how you messed that one up.

I dont believe Dan Mullen leaves Miss. State for Miami either, but thats a whole lot more realistic than Meyer.

Mullen may not leave for Miami, but then again...you thought we had no shot at Gruden either, when most reports say otherwise. If not for Gruden wanting nepotism for his lil bro and Hocutt not allowing that, he'd likely be getting introduced as our HC tomorrow.

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my bad, I misread it. I thought you said Dan Mullen AND Urban Meyer

but take shots, thats fine. excuse me for thinking that a school with major financial shortcomings was gonna get a $4mil a year coach. i was right regardless, it looks like Gruden will NOT be the next Miami coach.


Mullen is in the SEC with a raucous fanbase, great facilities, great in state recruiting base, a sold out stadium every week, and right now is the top program in its state.

Miami offers none of that aside from the great recruiting base and a commitment to upgrade the facilities.

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i was right regardless, it looks like Gruden will NOT be the next Miami coach.

Yep, but you were right for all the wrong reasons. Where I'm from, that's called talking out of your ass and getting lucky with the result. Had Gruden not made an outrageous demand that likely would have made a lot of schools walk away from negotiations, you'd be eating a crapload of crow, instead of the small amount that you should be eating for being right by luck and not by logic.

Mullen is in the SEC with a raucous fanbase, great facilities, great in state recruiting base, a sold out stadium every week, and right now is the top program in its state.

All true, no disagreements there. Don't forget to point out that they still finished 5th in the SEC West, and that's in a really good 8-4 year. They're going to have to wait on a swoon by LSU/Arky/Bama/Auburn in order to ever sniff the SEC Title game.

Miami offers none of that aside from the great recruiting base and a commitment to upgrade the facilities.

Our fanbase is small, but raucous. There may only be a few of us there, but you know we're there. I'd wager that you've never been to a game Miami's played in in-person, so you wouldn't know that--when on the other hand, I have been, and I've seen it.

The facilities will get MUCH better, as you've already heard.

I'd be somewhat willing to wager that Mullen wouldn't mind recruiting down in S. Florida with the brand recognition of a Miami instead of fighting in the same geographical area as Ole Miss, LSU, Auburn, Bama, and Arkansas--being the small fish in the big pond. Not to mention that Miss St would have to get really **** good in recruiting and player development to ever have a shot to win the SEC West. Even then, it'd take a bunch of luck for them to make it out of the West to the SEC Championship.

I also think it all depends on if he has any aspirations for an NFL job down the road. I have a feeling he'd get a look much quicker if he came to Miami and wins (where he has a legit shot to become a dominant ACC and national program) as opposed to being an also-ran in the SEC West year-in/year-out...which realistically, is as good as it's ever going to get for that program. With the right guy at the helm, Miss St can do what they did this past year, possibly get lucky and win 10 games. With the right guy at the helm, Miami can be a perennial BCS bowl program with 10-12 wins and compete for national titles. Which would you take if you're looking to make your bones to get to the NFL...or hell, even if you're looking to win national titles. If you could make a cogent argument for Miss St being easier to win a national title at than Miami, then I'd bow down and give you props--but the simple fact is that you can't.

I knew you'd take this line of reasoning with regards to Mullen. News flash bub--just because it's an SEC job doesn't mean it's better than a job elsewhere, and that includes Miami...especially Miami. Save the SEC snobbery for some other program.